EXHIBIT 99.1
SUN HYDRAULICS CORPORATION
CONFERENCE CALL TRANSCRIPT
Moderator: Richard Arter
March 2, 2005
3:00 p.m. CT
Richard Arter: ... lines for questions and answers. We will initially take most of the questions from the dial-in participants, and then take questions from the audience here.
Before we begin, as usual, please be aware that any statements made in todays
presentation that are not historical facts are considered forward-looking statements within
the meaning of Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. For more information on
forward-looking statements, please refer to yesterdays press release.
I would now like to turn the call over to Dick Dobbyn.
Richard Dobbyn: Thank you, Rich. Good afternoon everyone. We had another great quarter to finish
an excellent year. We believe our most important achievement in 2004 was our ability to
maintain and improve our on-time delivery, even with a 33 percent increase in sales. This
capability will help Sun to continue to grow in all our markets, both short- and long-term.
The rebound in the U.S. market was very strong in 2004, has remained strong in January
and February of this year. 2004 sales in the U.S. increased 40 percent compared to 2003,
and our international business remained strong with sales up 27 percent.
While the 33 percent increase in total sales had a major positive effect on margins, we
were also able to offset the effect of material cost increases and further improve margins
through higher productivity. This enabled us to hold the line on pricing. As a result, we
believe we have gained market share. In 2005 well continue to find new and better ways to
service our customers. We plan to invest in marketing and productivity improvements at a
level at a level comparable to 2004.
I will now ask (Trisha) to cover the financial results, and then well be back to
answer any questions.
(Trisha): Thanks, Dick. Id first like to comment briefly on the fourth quarter results compared
to 2003. Fourth quarter net sales were up 33 percent to 23.5 million. Net income rose to two
million, compared to 600,000 in 2004. And basic and diluted earnings per share increased to
29 cents, versus nine cents for last year.
Now to summarize the results for the year, 2004 net sales were 94.5 million, a 33
percent increase over last year. Net income increased substantially to almost eight
million, compared to two million. Basic and diluted earnings per share were $1.14, compared
to 33 cents in 2003.
Net sales in the United States operation increased 38 percent, with shipments to Asia
up 29 percent, Canada up 27 percent, and domestic shipments up 40 percent. Net sales in the
United Kingdom operation increased 18 percent, primarily due to increases in sales to
European distributors, while England domestic sales were flat. German operation net sales
increased 38 percent, with increases in all markets served. And net sales in Korea in
the Korean operation increased 27 percent, due to increased shipments stimulated by Korean
customers meeting demand from China, coupled with growth in the domestic Korean business.
Gross profit was up 54 percent to 28.5 million in 2004, compared to 18.5 million in
2003. Gross profit as a percentage of net sales increased to 30 percent in 2004, compared
to 26 percent in 2003. This increase was due to the increased sales volume, as well as
productivity improvements, both of which more than offset increased material and employee
benefit costs.
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Selling, engineering, and administrative expenses in 2004 were 16 million, a 10 percent increase compared to 15 million in 2003. The increase was primarily due to higher employee wage and benefit costs of one million, including the establishment and funding of an employee stock ownership plan.
The company paid quarterly dividends each of the four quarters of 2004. Dividends in the first quarter were four cents per share, and were raised to five cents per share for the second and third quarters. The board again raised the dividend in the fourth quarter to 7.5 cents, resulting in total dividends per share for the year of 21.5 cents.
Net cash from operations in 2004 was 15 million, compared to 9.5 million in 2003. The 5.5 million increase was primarily due to the increase in net income of 5.7 million, while working capital excluding cash remains relatively static. Cash on hand increased 4.5 million. Capital expenditures were five million. Debt was reduced six million. And 1.5 million was paid to shareholders in dividends. Days sales outstanding increased slightly from 33 to 35, and inventory turns improved from 8.1 to 9.4.
Looking forward, as order rates remained strong in January and February, sales for the first quarter are projected to be 27.5 million, a 29 percent increase over the first quarter of 2004. Net income per share at that sales level would be 38 to 41 cents. Thank you. Rich?
Richard Arter: Thanks (Trisha). OK, Keith. Wed like to open the line for calls right now.
Operator: OK. Just a moment and well let our roster assemble.
And well go first to Scott Macke with Robert W. Baird. Please go ahead.
Scott Macke: Hello everybody.
Richard Arter: Hello Scott.
(Trisha): Hello.
Scott Macke: Congratulations on a great quarter.
Richard Arter: Thank you.
(Trisha): Thank you.
Scott Macke: Hey, want to first talk about the outlook for the first quarter 05. Obviously very strong top-line growth there. Was curious how that breaks out U.S. relative to international sales growth?
Richard Arter: Got that Dick?
Richard Dobbyn: Yes. The mix would stay pretty much the way its been, but I think well have were seeing more on the domestic U.S. domestic side.
Scott Macke: So, you mean so if I look in I guess as I look at U.S. relative to international then, international sales grew at a slower rate, especially towards the towards the fourth quarter, as you had said in the last conference call. Is that a trend that you expect to continue to then into the first half of 05, that the international growth rate will be slower than that of the U.S.?
Richard Dobbyn: At the moment thats what were seeing, yes.
Scott Macke: OK. Thank you. And I guess I want to take a I know you didnt talk specifically about the second quarter, but as we get into 05 then we start to lap some of these very high growth rates, especially in the U.S. And looking at that 52 percent year-over-year growth rate in the second
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quarter of 05, was curious your thoughts in terms of what kind of growth you might be able to achieve on top of that comparison?
Richard Dobbyn: Thats what we were wondering too Scott, but just kidding. But really if you look back historically, just about in any year, the second quarter is always the best year best quarter. So, thats what were hoping for.
Scott Macke: Fair enough. Ill hop back in the queue.
Richard Dobbyn: How do you see it? Do you think thatll ...
Scott Macke: Well, if thats true, it looks like a big quarter, huh?
Richard Arter: Yes, what do you see out there in the third though Scott?
Richard Dobbyn: Yes.
Scott Macke: Do you really want me to say? Ill hop back in the queue.
Richard Arter: OK.
Richard Dobbyn: Thank you.
Richard Arter: Do we have another dial-in call Keith?
Operator: Yes sir. And as a reminder to the audience, its star one for questions. Well go next to Brent Miley with Rutabaga Capital. Please go ahead.
Brent Miley: Yes. Hi. I was hoping you might answer a couple questions I had. One is I was wondering what kind of operating rates youre running at, and where you guys are in terms of capacity? Youve had some real healthy growth. Im wondering kind of where you are on that front. Related to that, I was wondering if you might talk about what kind of cap ex you might have for the coming year.
Richard Dobbyn: Sure Brent. And actually we got a question about capacity, so I thought Id take your question and the question that came in over the Internet. And this is a question from (Mike Brag), independent investor. He has three questions, all related. What is Suns revenue generating capacity? Does it matter where the demand increase occurs? And are the facilities in Sarasota, Coventry, Erkelenz, and Inchon dependant on one another? So, Ill answer your question Brent, and his questions.
Brent Miley: Sure.
Richard Dobbyn: Im going to start with his last question, which is the dependency of the operations on each other. And Ill answer it this way. In each Sun location throughout the world, we design, manufacture, and outsource manifold blocks. The custom manifolds. The cartridges are made largely in the U.S., and these are the standard product going into the custom manifold location. We also manufacture cartridge valves in the U.K. So, the answer is, theyre dependent upon the U.S. and the U.K. to send them products. So, does it matter where the demand increase occurs? No it doesnt.
So, what is our capacity, as you asked, Brent, and his question is, what is the revenue generating capacity? And because we dont use top-down modeling on capacity, Im not going to give you an answer to that. But Ill tell you how we do it. We have ongoing bottoms-up approach to capacity, in that we in a very formal way, and (Tim Sweeny), our manufacturing fellow knows this more than anybody, and is looking at me now saying, dont blow it Dick. Were looking constantly at bottlenecks, and solving those bottlenecks. OK?
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So, were constantly managing the labor, the machinery, the processes, and our suppliers, whether it be new suppliers or outsourcing non-critical parts to our current suppliers. So, thats an ongoing basis, even in the midst of what I would call almost a depression here prior to the upturn last year in business, we were worried about capacity. And we plan for it, and you saw how were doing. The first two months of this year we have jumped up again another 30 percent, and I wont say that were not starting to break a little sweat, but were keeping our on-time delivery to customer (equip) at the high level theyve been at.
Richard Arter: Plans. Plans and ...
Richard Dobbyn: Oh yes. So, the one thing thats missing in all of that is what happens when you run out of physical space? And right now having doubled our production capacity in the U.K. last year, and looking at what were looking at now in terms of bringing in additional people and machinery into the U.S. operations, we dont see that that will be a limiting a capacity-limiting thing in the near term, even given the continuing ((inaudible)) space.
Now if it does, and then if we start to see it keep going up and up, we have purchased land just down adjacent to this building, and we have rather finished blueprint plans to put up another building there, should we need it.
Brent Miley: Have you guys quantified the cap ex for the new machines, and the new efforts in the U.K., and in the U.S.?
Richard Dobbyn: Im sorry. I forgot that. Well spend about five million, which would be about the same as this past year Brent.
Brent Miley: OK. Great and then one question on margins. You guys have shown exceptional leverage, really done a tremendous job, which is what you guys always said was when the demand comes back, you should be in real good shape. Does the leverage did we start getting diminishing returns at some point? Do you still feel like the operating margins can improve with the increased volume? Or is there any sort of an offset that I should be aware of?
Richard Dobbyn: I dont think were going to have any diminishing returns on the margins. And again, because we dont think we have any big capacity constraints, we dont think that were going to be hurting our margins by not being able to get a product out efficiently. However, at this level of volume I think we can hold at least hold the margins weve seen last year.
Brent Miley: OK and then one more, if I could. Is there any change with all the growth; is the order size still the same? Do you guys have you gotten any new large pieces of business? Or has it still been incredibly diversified?
Richard Dobbyn: Its incredibly diversified. We cant point to any one specific customer or area.
Brent Miley: Great. Thanks a lot.
Richard Dobbyn: Thank you.
Richard Arter: Thanks Brent. Any more dial-in questions Keith?
Operator: That was it for the phone questions.
Richard Arter: OK. Let me shift and see if theres any questions here in the room. Anybody have any questions here? OK. Im sorry. Go ahead.
Male: You have very admirable average days outstanding, with 30 something days. What are your standard terms?
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Richard Dobbyn: Our standard terms are 2.5 10 net 30, and a guy named (Bruno) from South Providence. When Bob founded the company, he knew that the biggest problem most companies had was getting enough cash. So, we have very liberal payment terms, and as a result we dont have any collection department. And it works.
Richard Arter: Let me read a question that came in via email. And well respond to that one. This is from Mr. (Sharma). I would like to know more about the plans to increase the market share in the year 2005. Will you be introducing newer products? Will you be entering newer segments of the market? Or will you be entering markets of more countries?
Richard Dobbyn: Yes.
Richard Arter: Yes. I think the answer is yes. Go ahead.
Richard Dobbyn: Do you want me to start?
Richard Arter: Go ahead. You start.
Richard Dobbyn: You know, we have recently put a lot of emphasis on the electrically actuated valves driving our custom valve packs. Thats with the solenoid proportional valves, and were continuing to expand into that line. And also we are pushing the valve patch, which is a combination of the custom manifold made locally, and the valves out of Sarasota. Were getting into more and larger hydraulic systems.
We have also done a study on the use of our Web site, and were finding people from all corners of the earth that are using this to do some rudimentary design. And these are mechanical design engineers. Theyre getting at our products through the Website, and we think thats going to expand quite a bit. Do you have any ...
Richard Arter: One thing I might add to that is Suns introducing new products all the time. Continuously. And they generally take a while to get into the marketplace. But its not just the single new product that gets in, but its effect on all the other products we sell. Dick talked about the electrohydraulic products. Well, the sales in and of themselves might not be absolutely enormous of those, they bring along a lot of other valves we manufacture.
Specifically we are in the process of introducing some stainless steel valves, which is very new for us, that will be used by certain market segments. And those valves are, to get back to the previous question of (Mike Brag) and Brent Miley, are being produced in our U.K. facility. And those will be valves specifically most often used in green industries, maybe sometimes food processing and stuff like that. Where you either need the great corrosion resistance or absolute cleanliness. So, theres the answer to the question is yes, all three. New markets, new products, and new countries.
Do you have any more questions on the line Keith?
Operator: We do have two questions on the phone line.
Richard Arter: OK.
Operator: First well go to Scott Macke with Robert W. Baird.
Scott Macke: Hello again. Im going to try this one again. Ill see if I cant do better. Especially in talking about the electrohydraulic valves, and then the new stainless steel valves out of the U.K. facility, is there any sense you can give us just in terms of the amount of growth youve seen by those products? The amount of growth you expect to see from those products? And especially Richard, your point, maybe not so much the growth of just the electrohydraulic product, but the amount of growth youve experienced, say in 2004, because of that product, and the additional demand, the other valves youre able to sell along with that?
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Richard Arter: I think its very difficult to quantify Scott. Again, the electrohydraulic products open new opportunities that we might not have otherwise been able to see. And they bring along lots of other products. So, to quantify that in some type of financial sense I think is very difficult. I dont do you have a way to do it?
Richard Dobbyn: I think we can I think we can say that when we look out at the breakout of sales that the custom valve pack part of our business is growing at a higher rate than the other parts of the business. We can say that.
Richard Arter: And I think the electrohydraulic products spur that.
Richard Dobbyn: Yes, right.
Scott Macke: I see and then kind of wanted to get a clarification. I couldnt quite hear on my line if you said you thought that the level of margins were sustainable, or the level of incremental margins were sustainable? I dont have my model in front of me, but Im guessing the incremental margin was somewhere around 35 percent in 2004. Do you expect to see something comparable to that in 2005, given your cost structure and the amount of leverage there?
Richard Dobbyn: Yes. Im saying we can hold the incremental margin, which means on higher volume we expect a higher gross profit percentage rate.
Scott Macke: That in mind, do you guys think in terms of, you know, Im thinking back like 1995, and 18 percent margins. Is that something that you think is achievable in the next say two years?
Richard Dobbyn: Youre talking about when we were about 36 or 37 percent gross profit? I just dont want anybody ...
Richard Arter: Yes.
Richard Dobbyn: ... running around saying Dick Dobbyn says its going to be 18 percent this year.
Scott Macke: Well, Im just Im trying to get a feel for peak margin potential.
Richard Dobbyn: For what?
Richard Arter: Peak margin, did you say?
Scott Macke: Yes. Correct. Peak operating margin potential.
Richard Dobbyn: I dont I dont think we can say really.
Scott Macke: Fair enough. Ill hop back in queue.
Richard Dobbyn: Thanks Scott.
Richard Arter: OK.
Operator: And we have one question from Brian Rafn with Morgan Dempsey. Please go ahead.
Brian Rafn: Hi guys.
Richard Arter: Hello Brian.
Richard Dobbyn: Hi Brian.
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Brian Rafn: A question for you and maybe this is a question for Dick. Im assuming you said you held the line on prices. Can you break out then the revenue growth for the year? Primarily I would imagine organic unit volume growth, and then maybe what the component of foreign currency might have been?
Richard Dobbyn: Yes. Sales increase was 33 percent. If you take out the effect of foreign currency, it was 29 percent.
Brian Rafn: OK. And Im assuming the price inflation was pretty negligible then? Your ability to hike prices across the board, you kind of said, I think ...
Richard Dobbyn: Oh, we had a I think we had a good ability to raise prices, but we didnt, because we want to get market share. And we had some price increases in January that were not broad-based, they were selective, and not a large amount of revenue. But they should be enough to hold off some of the cost increases were seeing.
Brian Rafn: OK. Can you give us some type of a quantitative magnitude of what your raw materials, your steel costs, and that, were up year-over-year?
Richard Dobbyn: No.
Brian Rafn: Ballpark. I mean ...
Richard Dobbyn: I really cant.
Brian Rafn: OK. You had talked about the caller had asked relative to capacity, you mentioned if you get into a physical space, what blueprint-wise what are you looking for if you were to put out another adjacent plant, kind of a square footage?
Richard Dobbyn: I would say not unlike the 265,000 square foot plants we have in Sarasota.
Brian Rafn: OK. OK. Fair enough. What are you guys currently running on a on a shift basis? Are you running one shift, two shifts?
Richard Dobbyn: We run two shifts, 10 hours. And the second shift is not filled up yet by any stretch. And on the first and second shifts we are working some overtime now.
Brian Rafn: Some overtime. OK. OK. What relative you mentioned, and I think the comment I think was well placed, industrial U.S. industrial companies have gone through quote, a depression, since about 97.
Richard Dobbyn: You bet.
Brian Rafn: And you guys in 01 got to where you had some layoffs with people taking unpaid vacations, and you had some salary reductions. Is there any latent capacity relative to as the company prospers, you know, you leverage up a little on the SG&A, higher raises, higher bonuses, that type of thing? And what do you kind of expect going into 05 salary and wage costs inflation for your employees will be?
Richard Dobbyn: I think weve brought everybody back to normal, so to speak, in 2004. And we kind of in our benefit plan kind of made up for some of the lost ground where people that worked very hard but they werent they werent getting any results until 2004. So, I dont think well see anything unusual in 2005.
Brian Rafn: So, its kind of a normal two, three, four percent average cost of living type?
Richard Dobbyn: Right.
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Brian Rafn: OK.
Richard Dobbyn: Bob would you like our founder, Bob Koski.
Robert Koski: We had no layoffs.
Brian Rafn: No layoffs.
Female: No layoffs.
Richard Dobbyn: Yes, we kept all our people Brian. And evidence the first quarter of last year, we shipped 30 something percent more and didnt work one hour more of overtime.
Brian Rafn: Well, you guys always get an A in corporate paternalism, so I give you high marks on that.
Richard Arter: Its not all were not paternal.
Richard Dobbyn: Its not paternalism, its just good business long-term. Thats how we look at it.
Brian Rafn: OK. OK. Can you get us any sense relative to, you know, at 66 percent of your end markets mobile, 34 percent, or roughly one-third, two-thirds is industrial you get any sense your different end markets, how much is the sales are direct sales to the customer, and what you might be seeing in a wholesale inventory building?
Richard Dobbyn: We, you know, we sell a large amount through distributors. And its the and we poll our distributors in the U.S. for their inventory. And they were only up about 10 percent at the end of December. So, we dont we dont and theyve been kind of flat during the year. So, we dont really see any channel building, so to speak.
Brian Rafn: OK. OK. Whats your sense kind of on a qualitative as you look across your different markets, youre talking with your suppliers, the supply chain logistics, what the tone of business, the sense of the duration of this business cycle? You know, what are you you know, you guys are, you know, certainly a cap ex supplier. What do you guys get the sense, you know, are your customers hesitant to build inventories? You know, everyones talked about the cash building up in corporate balance sheets and the latent property, plant, and equipment spending. What do you guys at Sun Hydraulics see when youre talking to some of your customers?
Richard Dobbyn: I dont know as we see it in talking to some of our customers, again, because we sell through distribution. But in the industry what we see is that a whole variety of sectors are at different point lines in the whole recovery process. And its hard for us to figure where we are in that, because we serve every one of those segments. So, were on the rise, and are dependent on whether youre talking about agricultural equipment or forestry products, or construction equipment, theyre all different dots on that recovery curve.
Brian Rafn: OK. Fair enough. Your cap ex budget for 05 you said was somewhat similar to the 4.9 million you spent in 04?
Richard Dobbyn: Right.
Brian Rafn: What Dick would be maintenance cap ex? What would be, you know, capacity productivity initiatives?
Richard Dobbyn: I would say about two million maintenance and three million new equipment.
Brian Rafn: OK. And then just one closing question. The loss of the accelerated depreciating tax credit in 04, and this repatriation of foreign cash offshore, are those really kind of both negligible effects for Sun Hydraulics?
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Richard Dobbyn: Well, actually we are bringing cash back from overseas, but weve got enough foreign tax credits to do that. So, were not going to use the Jobs Creation Act.
Brian Rafn: OK.
Richard Dobbyn: But we are going to get a manufacturing credit under that Act, and its not trivial. Itll be itll lower our tax rate one percentage point.
Brian Rafn: OK. Hundred basis points. Good enough. Superb job guys. Thanks.
Richard Dobbyn: Thank you Brian.
Richard Arter: Thank you Brian.
Operator: And we have a follow-up question from Scott Macke.
Richard Arter: OK.
Operator: Please go ahead. Mr. Macke, your lines open.
Scott Macke: Sorry about that. Beat me to the punch on the tax rate, but also wanted to ask about share count, especially in light of the ESOP contribution in January, and the announced share repurchase. Which if I read that correctly, then the share repurchase at 2.5 million give us an idea of the number of ESOP shares expected to be issued in 05. But just wanted to confirm that, and maybe get a sense for timing throughout the year.
(Trisha): Yes. This is (Trisha). We purchased repurchased some of the shares prior to year-end. We only were able to purchase under the preprogrammed plan that we had set up about 6,000 shares. We will be purchasing the rest of them throughout this year, and we probably are going to its going to depend on the stock price when its purchased. Were just going to set up another preprogrammed plan. Number of shares outstanding is just over seven million. So ...
Scott Macke: And is that is that the number thats baked into your first quarter forecast?
(Trisha): Yes.
Scott Macke: OK. Thank you. And then, you know, as you look through 05 then, and maybe out even to 06, at some point you start to accumulate a fair amount of cash. Anything in particular we should be thinking about in terms of what you might do with that cash? What priorities might be?
Richard Arter: Yes. What are you looking for Scott?
Scott Macke: Well, just in terms of know you guys did have done substantial dividends in the past. One-time dividends in the past.
Richard Dobbyn: Yes. We have we have some investment options, and were looking at those. And we cant say anything definite about whether it be dividends or whatever at this point. Were looking for China markets, and were looking at other opportunities. So, were well aware that we have gotten a lot of cash, and we intend to either do something with it or give it back to the shareholders.
Scott Macke: All right. Thank you very much.
Richard Arter: Thank you Scott. Are there any questions in the room? Yes sir.
Male: Since you have the three operating environments in the U.S. and in England, and Korea is a very different currency condition, the dollar being weak, the pound being strong, and the WAN having, you know, being fairly strong, is there a chance to optimize margins by moving business between
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those operations? Or are they fairly regional in their in their customer base so that you cant move around for margin optimization?
Richard Dobbyn: Actually we dont have to do any of that, because were lucky. We sell out of the U.K. in dollars into Europe. And the U.K. sells into dollars when they sell us steel manifolds. So, the U.K. has actually been getting currency losses, transaction losses, even though their basic unit is the pound. So, those losses have been offsetting to a large degree the gains that we see in Korea and in Germany. So, at the moment with that structure, were kind of self-hedged.
Richard Arter: Any other questions in the room? Are there any other questions on the line Keith?
Operator: No phone questions at this time.
Richard Dobbyn: Is there any ...
Richard Arter: Going once. Going heres a question.
(Andy): Dick alluded to China. What challenges and what opportunities do you see in that regards?
Richard Dobbyn: We have a joint venture in China, (Andy), that has been weve just grown very slowly. We just got our big toe wet. And were at the point now where, you know, were doing a million a year at a good healthy profit, and were talking with our partner about where do we go from here? But realize that were not in China to manufacture. Were in China to sell our high-tech, high-performance kind of BMW valve. So, were not looking for low cost. Were looking for them to find their high-performance applications, or high-demanding applications in China. So, were looking for distribution in China.
Richard Arter: Yes.
Richard Dobbyn: And were looking perhaps somebody to head it up, so if you know anybody that knows anything about hydraulics and speaks Mandarin or something, send them by. The Chinese market is such a large geographic market, and weve been centralized largely in Shanghai, in the initial phases. And now we have to kind of send ourselves out farther into the other three or four industrial areas. OK. Can we ...
Richard Arter: Anything else? Keith, anything out there?
Operator: We do have a follow-up from Brian Rafn.
Richard Arter: OK.
Operator: Please go ahead.
Brian Rafn: Yes, a question for you guys relative to the China situation. With all of the worries relative to transfer the technology, national security, piracy, I think Dick had mentioned were there not to manufacture but were there to distribute and sell. Kind of what are your risks relative to, you know, transfers of technology, that type of thing, when youre negotiating in China?
Richard Dobbyn: Well, I dont I dont think we have anymore risk in that regard in China than we do anywhere, because everybody can take our products apart and look at them. So, God bless them if they can make them to the high-performance that we can.
Brian Rafn: Sure.
Richard Dobbyn: And the wide variety that we can.
Brian Rafn: So ...
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Richard Dobbyn: We have a lot of technology in our process in-house.
Brian Rafn: OK.
Richard Dobbyn: So, its very, very expensive to duplicate.
Brian Rafn: OK. You dont see relative to exporting any, you know, licensing restrictions, or exporting restrictions relative to your valves, cartridge valves, or your manifolds, into China?
Richard Dobbyn: Oh, I see what you mean. No, I dont think so. I think, you know, theres nothing you need to ...
Richard Arter: Thats one of the nice parts of making the manifolds locally, youve got a lot of design and...
Richard Dobbyn: Yes.
Richard Arter: ... and local content ...
Richard Dobbyn: Yes.
Richard Arter: ... into the foreign markets. That ...
Brian Rafn: Right.
Richard Dobbyn: You have a lot of local content.
Brian Rafn: OK, thanks guys.
Richard Dobbyn: Thank you Brian. Appreciate it.
Richard Arter: Thank you. Anything else Keith?
Operator: No further phone questions.
Richard Arter: Anything in the room? Yes, one here in the room.
Male: As India is becoming a fast growing country, is there anything going on there?
Richard Dobbyn: We have a distributor in India.
Richard Arter: We have a distributor in India.
Richard Dobbyn: And we have a distributor in India. And thats about it. I dont ...
Richard Arter: And we have its an interesting market. And I guess weve had that distributor signed up for about five or six years, but the sales over there are ...
Richard Dobbyn: Not a big deal.
Richard Arter: ... are relatively meaningless so far. Whether they can turn into anything or not, Im not sure. But its an interesting place. But we do have representation.
Yes sir?
Male: Well, if were talking about other countries, I note that you have two distributors in Poland. Whats the story there?
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Richard Arter: Thats one of the things we probably didnt cover when maybe this question that asked about new countries. Our German operation is slowly expanding farther and farther in what used to be the former Eastern Block countries. And thats a slowly emerging market.
But there was just a tremendous amount of production thats gone on in that part of the world, over the last 40 years. Tractors, cranes, you name it, the cars. Everything. They build everything over there. So, were beginning to migrate that way in signing on distributors. And I think we have two in Poland now. We have a couple in Czechoslovakia, and thats all being handled out of our German operation in Erkelenz. Long-term thats a thats probably a fair growth market. I dont think short-term its that much. But I think long-term theres a lot that can happen over ...
Yes sir?
Male: How big a sales force do you have that works with the distributors?
Richard Arter: Whered he go? He was there a minute ago.
Richard Dobbyn: Yes, thats it. Weve got ...
Richard Arter: We really dont we really dont have a sales force, per se. But we have ...
Richard Dobbyn: A couple people in the U.S. that work ...
Richard Arter: ... a couple people.
Richard Dobbyn: ... do distributor support.
Richard Arter: Right.
Richard Dobbyn: And then, you know, one or two in each location to support the foreign distributors.
Richard Arter: I would say theres ...
Richard Dobbyn: Yes, a lot of the support here is the nature of the culture, in that our design engineers are just as much likely to pick up the phone and answer questions, our customer service people can answer questions. So, its the support is not channeled all through one person. Bob, you got a comment?
Robert Koski: Yes. We talk about ((inaudible)).
Richard Arter: Yes. We hold, maybe up to eight times a year, training programs for our distributors. A matter of fact, we have one starting tomorrow, and theres probably I know theres at least one of our distributors here in the room. (Terry) where are you?
Richard Dobbyn: (Terry Lynch) is here.
Richard Arter: Right there. (Terry Lynch). Hes from our distributor in Ontario. But we have we have what we call learning centers in each of these buildings. As a matter of fact, we have them in Germany and England as well. And we bring our distributors in, like I said, in this country about eight times a year, and we put on very intensive technical classes for them that are taught by our cartridge design and manifold application engineers. So, we do a tremendous amount of training with what is our sales network, which is our distributors. And I would say the same thing goes on also in our remote operations around the world.
Yes sir?
Male: You spoke about the market in China. Whats the market in Russia?
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Richard Arter: Right now its really hard to say. But, I think long-term it becomes a rather attractive place to be. Right now I dont ...
Richard Dobbyn: Nothing doing there.
Richard Arter: Not much as far as I know.
Richard Dobbyn: Well, I imagine that we get on a lot of the equipment thats bought elsewhere that goes to Russia.
Richard Arter: Goes to ...
Richard Dobbyn: But theyre not doing a lot on their own.
Richard Arter: ... from other countries. Yes.
Richard Dobbyn: Yes. Right here.
Richard Arter: Anything else out there Keith?
Operator: No phone questions.
Richard Arter: And in here? Well, thank you all for joining us on this conference call. Well be back again in a couple of months at the end of the first quarter. Thank you for listening. Thanks Keith.
Operator: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes todays teleconference. You may disconnect at this time.
Richard Arter: Well, thank you all for participating in that.
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